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Re: Pound
ngethek(at)netscape.net (Kenneth Kangethe)
2004-08-03 16:36:54 [ FULL ]
Hi Jon,

You have been simply Great!!! Thanks for assistance... THANKS ONCE
AGAIN!!!WOW!!!

Cheers,

Ken

Jonathan Cyr <cyrj(at)cyr.info> wrote:
[...][...]
>>>rev-proxy, rather than in-between.  But I have simple firewall
needs, I 
>>>let everything on 80 & 443 into be parsed by Pound.
>>>
>>>I'm using a very simple firewall, only allowing HTTP, HTTPS, &
SSH 
>>>traffic... I'm afraid I'm not an HTTP(S) traffic expert.
>>>
>>>My Two Cents. Try putting your firewall outside the
proxy/hub/server, 
>>>get through your firewall to a server, then reroute to pound.
>>>
>>>-Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>Kenneth Kangethe wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Jonathan for your speedy response. I was able to view
the 
>>>>Verisign cert. and get pound working. Now i am facing another 
>>>>interesting problem.
>>>>
>>>>During testing, I had connected my computer and the reverse
proxy on 
>>>>to a hub and on the back-end there was a firewall after which,
the 
>>>>internal network and my web server were located. Everything
worked 
>>>>well and I was able to viewl the website from my computer via
the 
>>>>reverse proxy.
>>>>
>>>>The problem appears when I insert a firewall between the
reverse proxy 
>>>>and my computer. I can't seem to get to my site. ( I have tried

>>>>setting my firewall to permit all traffic but still... nothing)
Is 
>>>>there some routing Issues that I need to tackle? what type of
routes 
>>>>am I to put on the reverse proxy so as to permit anyone with
any ip 
>>>>address to view my site?
>>>>
>>>>your assistance is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>- Ken
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>From: Jonathan Cyr <cyrj(at)cyr.info> >Reply-To:
cyrj(at)cyr.info >To: 
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>Kenneth Kangethe <ngethek(at)netscape.net> >CC:
pound(at)apsis.ch >Subject: 
>>>>Re: Verisign Certificates and Pound >Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004
14:52:40 
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>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>FILETIME=[B019F720:01C44CC0] > >Hi There, > >I had
a real problem with 
>>>>Verisign, and never got it fully working, >Mozilla wouldn't
take it 
>>>>but IE would. > >I thrashed with it for months, so maybe
I screwed up 
>>>>Versign's web >system with the multiple CSRs that I
submitted, who 
>>>>knows. > >Anyway, Pound supports Intermediate
Certificates and full 
>>>>chains... >here's my suggestions. > >1) Get Pound
working correctly 
>>>>with a Self-Signed Certificate first, >ensure Pound loads,
runs, and 
>>>>resolves certificates.  There's a >single  OpenSSL command
in the 
>>>>Pound man pages that will create the >.pem combo file
(decoded 
>>>>key/cert).  Make Pound work with that, and >Pound is no
longer the 
>>>>problem.  Unfortunately when Pound chokes on >an incorrectly
formated 
>>>>certificate combo file, it doesn't give much >feedback.  Set
your 
>>>>settings for the rev-proxy with this self-signed >setup.
> >2) My 
>>>>final config that worked with IE (not Mozilla) was... >    
- My 
>>>>Decoded Private Key >     - Verisign's Certificate that they
sent me 
>>>>after my CSR >submission >     - The generic Intermediate
Certificate 
>>>>that you can download >from Versign's help website.  Any SSL
setup 
>>>>would use the same >intermediate certificate >     -
Finally a 
>>>>Certificate Authority .pem file included with >OpenSSL,  I
think its 
>>>>called vsign3.pem, may be slightly different >but definately
3 for a 
>>>>Class 3 certificate > >I had them in the preceding order,
all four in 
>>>>sequence in one .pem >file, when they're in the right order,
Pound 
>>>>will start and run... >otherwise it will exit in the logs
(fgrep pound 
>>>>/var/log/messages) > >I alternated between this and
removing the 
>>>>vsign3.pem from the combo >file .pem and pointing to it
separately in 
>>>>the Pound config file, >the calist directive, I think. >
>3) My final 
>>>>piece of advice... stay away from Verisign if you can...
>I've dealt 
>>>>with them and the Network Solutions from a Technical as
>well as 
>>>>Administrative perspective for 5-7 years.  Every time, I've
>needed 
>>>>them, they've let me down, in a big way, in front of my 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>customers.  I've learned my lesson.  Verisign is obviously
the 
>>>>>premiere vendor, but their horrible.  Use any other one,
maybe 
>>>>>Thawte, their very big.... > >I moved to a "no-name"
provider called 
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>FreeSSL.com, their >certificates    have been included with
all of the 
>>>>browsers for 5 or >so years, for seamless usage.  I believe
back to 
>>>>IE3.  Old or >strange browsers will just prompt for
acceptance. > >The 
>>>>Mozilla problem stumped the leaders of the OpenSSL mailing
list, >the 
>>>>guy I contacted was an author, Dr. Henson, he couldn't explain
>the 
>>>>problem and frankly wasn't familiar with Pound and its
>implementation 
>>>>of the OpenSSL Dev Toolkit. > >At that point I discarded
Verisign... 
>>>>My setup was working in one >hour, $40.00 and a automated
CSR 
>>>>submission process.  I have big >customers who can't tell
the 
>>>>difference, 128bit encryption is 128bit >encryption, and any
third 
>>>>party SSL will do. > >Good Luck, > >-Jon > >
>Kenneth Kangethe wrote: 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Jonathan Cyr, >> >>I have just read the
experiences that you went 
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>through with Pound >>and verisign Certificates (attached
below). I am 
>>>>sort of having the >>same problem. I am interested in how
you 
>>>>installed the intermediate >>certificate, certificate
chain and the 
>>>>steps that you took inorder >>to get pound to work for
IE. Please 
>>>>forward the above info to >>ngethe(at)hotmail.com.
Thanks. >> >>My 
>>>>regards, >> >>Kenneth Wainaina
>>-------------------- >>Attachment:- 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Re: Certificate Purchase and Pound Jonathan Cyr

>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>
>>>><cyrj(at)cyr.info> >>Hello, >> >>I just
went round and round with 
>>>>Verisign for about 5 months and >>never got it
working.... >> >>Here's 
>>>>the story. >> >>I had a Verisign 128bit certificate
working with Pound 
>>>>problem-free >>for 7-8 months... then Verisign introduced
an 
>>>>intermediate >>certificate to the process... in other
words... they 
>>>>moved their >>certificate serving mechanism and required
all of their 
>>>>users to >>"patch" their SSL with an intermediate 
>>>>certificate.  Verisign had >>no idea what Pound is, and
on their 
>>>>telephone support, they will >>try to treat you like an
Apache user, 
>>>>since OpenSSL means Apache in >>their telephone support 
>>>>handbook.  Anyway, After 5 months of asking >>questions,
trying new 
>>>>things, bugging folks here and on the OpenSSL >>mailing
list, I did 
>>>>finally install their intermediate certificate >>and
certificate 
>>>>chain, it worked with IE, not with Mozilla... >>puzzling
me, and my 
>>>>generous benefactors on the OpenSSL list.   I >>concluded
Verisign was 
>>>>at fault, (after 5 mos), and got a new SSL >>provider.
>> >>Solution: 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>>I got a new SSL 128bit certificate with a
direct chain, no 
>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>intermediate certs.  We are no longer Versign
customers... I should 
>>>>>>have known better, Verisign cant seem to get any aspect
of their 
>>>>>>business working correctly... try changing company name
on a 
>>>>>>Verisign registered domain after a merger... but I
digress. >> >>We 
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>run a Red Hat AS 2.1 Server on a commodity box, and Load
>>Balance/Rev 
>>>>Proxy a rather large WebSphere 5.1 based Web App on
>>ports 80 & 443. 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>>My new certificate is from FreeSSL.com, it was
a ~$40 128bit 
>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>certificate, automated CSR process... and works better
than the 
>>>>>>Verisign $800/yr variety... none of my customers are
the wiser... 
>>>>>>128bit is 128bit, the only difference was 3rd party
verification 
>>>>>>with Dun&Brad, a pain anyways. >> >>On
Linux, I highly recommend the 
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>OpenSSL chapter of O'Reilly's >>Linux Security Cookbook,
on 
>>>>http://safari.oreilly.com./  It has all
>>of >>the commands needed to 
>>>>carry out your plan. >> >>If you decide to go
forward, write me, I'll 
>>>>help you... I'd like to >>pay-it-forward for the folks
who helped me 
>>>>through. >> >>Pound is well worth the effort... the
proprietary 
>>>>alternatives are >>costly and inflexible. >>
>>Good Luck, >> >>-Jon 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>cyrj(at)cyr.info >> >>Ron Turner wrote:
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